TRUMP SHOWS HIS “MOB-BOSS” APPREOACH TO BEING A U.S. PRESIDENT
… Brad
Raffensperger, the GOP Georgia Secretary of State
Trump pressures the GOP Georgia Secretary of
State, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat.
A former Southern District of New York prosecutor says that the president could be in deep trouble from the following recorded phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State.
Georgia’s election has had multiple recounts and it was certified by both state and federal election officials. But Trump continues to state, without any evidence, that there was massive voter fraud. But even if the Georgia election were reversed, which it won’t be, Trump would have still lost to Joe Biden.
President Trump urged his fellow Republican, Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia Secretary of State, to “find” enough votes to overturn the election. His defeat discussed in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday, January 2nd, that election experts and former prosecutors have said raised serious legal questions for the president.
The Washington Post obtained a recording, (we don’t know how) of the conversation in which Trump berated Raffensperger, then tried to flatter him, finally he begged the Secretary to act. Trump even threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the Georgia Secretary of State refused to pursue Trump’s false claims. At one point Trump warned that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”
It exactly sounded like a Mob-Boss going after and threatening the Secretary. But throughout the call, Raffensperger, and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions. They kept explaining to the president that he was relying on debunked conspiracy theories, and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.
Of course the Mob-Boss president totally dismissed their arguments.
“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”
Raffensperger responded: “Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”
At another point, Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”
(If and when you listen to the full phone call, you will notice that the audio had been edited to remove the name of an individual about whom the president makes unsubstantiated negative allegations).
According to The Post, the rambling and at times incoherent conversation offered a remarkable glimpse of how consumed and desperate the president remains about his loss. He’s like a child that has been told “no” and the child is refusing to acknowledge the truth. Trump is just unwilling, or most likely he has become unable to admit that he lost. He still believes that with his power as president, he can reverse the results in enough battleground states to remain in office. He acting like he’s a dictator, not an elected president that lost his re-election.
“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said. That’s a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.” But there’s no indication of massive fraud. Trump lost fair and square.
Several of his allies were on the line as he spoke, including White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and the conservative lawyer Cleta Mitchell. She is a prominent GOP attorney whose involvement with Trump’s efforts had not been previously known.
In a statement, Mitchell said Raffensperger’s office “has made many statements over the past two months that are simply not correct and everyone involved with the efforts on behalf of the President’s election challenge has said the same thing: show us your records on which you rely to make these statements that our numbers are wrong.” All this without offering any evidence.
On Sunday, Trump had tweeted that he had spoken to Raffensperger, saying the secretary of state was, “unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under the table scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”
Raffensperger responded with his own tweet: “Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true.”
The pressure Trump put on Raffensperger is the latest example of his attempt to subvert the outcome of the election results through personal outreach to state Republican officials. He previously invited Michigan Republican state leaders to the White House to convince them that he had won. He also pressured Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) in a call to try to replace that state’s electors with those that supported Trump, and he asked the speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to help reverse his loss in that state.
His call to Raffensperger came as scores of Republicans have pledged to challenge the electoral college’s vote for Biden when Congress convenes for a joint session on Wednesday. Republicans do not have the votes to successfully thwart Biden’s victory, but Trump has urged supporters to travel to Washington to protest the outcome. The state and federal officials are already bracing for clashes outside the Capitol.
During their conversation, Trump issued a threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the Secretary of State’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find those thousands of ballots in Fulton County that have been illegally destroyed, he will send investigators. That’s an allegation for which there is no evidence, but Trump said they would be subject to a criminal liability.
“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And
you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”
Trump also told Raffensperger that failure to act by Tuesday would jeopardize the political fortunes of David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler. They are Georgia’s two Republican senators whose fate in that day’s runoff elections will determine control of the U.S. Senate.
Trump said he plans to talk about the fraud on Monday, when he is scheduled to lead an election eve rally in Dalton, Ga. That’s a message that could further muddle the efforts of Georgia Republicans to get their voters out.
“You have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president. You know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam,” Trump said. “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”
Trump’s conversation with Raffensperger put Trump in legally questionable territory, legal experts have said. By exhorting the secretary of state to “find” votes and to deploy investigators who “want to find answers,” Trump appears to be encouraging him to doctor the election results in Georgia.
But experts said Trump’s clearer transgression is a moral one. Edward Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, said that the legal questions are murky and would be subject to prosecutorial discretion. But he also emphasized that the call was “inappropriate and contemptible” and should prompt moral outrage.
“He was already tripping the emergency meter,” Foley said. “So we were at 12 on a scale of 1 to 10, and now we’re at 15.”
Throughout the call, Trump detailed an exhaustive list of disinformation and conspiracy theories to support his position. He claimed without evidence that he had won Georgia by at least a half-million votes. He floated a barrage of assertions that have been investigated and disproved: “that thousands of dead people voted; that an Atlanta election worker scanned 18,000 forged ballots three times each and ‘100 percent’ were for Biden; that thousands more voters living out of state came back to Georgia illegally just to vote in the election.
“So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this,” Trump said. “And it’s going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it, and you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people who don’t want to find answers.”
Trump did most of the talking on the call. He was angry and impatient, calling Raffensperger a “child” and “either dishonest or incompetent” for not believing there was widespread ballot fraud in Atlanta. He twice called him a “schmuck” for endorsing Brian Kemp, whom Trump holds in particular contempt for not embracing his claims of fraud.
“I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again, I’ll tell you that much right now,” Trump said.
Trump also took aim at Kemp’s 2018 opponent, Democrat Stacey Abrams, trying to shame Raffensperger with the idea that his refusal to embrace fraud has helped her and Democrats generally. “Stacey Abrams is laughing about you,” Trump said. “She’s going around saying, ‘These guys are dumber than a rock.’ What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you.”
The Secretary of State repeatedly sought to push back, saying at one point, “Mr. President, the problem you have is with social media, the people can say anything.”
“Oh this isn’t social media,” Trump retorted. “This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not. It’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less.”
At another point, Trump claimed that votes were scanned three times: “Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? You know, they put ’em in three times.”
Raffensperger responded: “Mr. President, they did not. We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.”
Trump sounded at turns confused and meandering. At one point, he referred to Kemp as “George.” He tossed out several different figures for Biden’s margin of victory in Georgia and referred to the Senate runoff, which is Tuesday, as happening “tomorrow” and “Monday.”
His desperation was perhaps most pronounced during an exchange with Raffensperger’s general counsel, in which he openly begged for validation.
Trump: “Do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County? ’Cause that’s what the rumor is. And also that Dominion took out machines. That Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their, uh, machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal.”
The general counsel responded: “No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.”
Trump: “But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?”
The general counsel: “No.”
Trump: “Are you sure? ”
The general counsel “I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.”
It was clear from the call that Trump has surrounded himself with aides who have fed his false perceptions that the election was stolen. When he claimed that more than 5,000 ballots were cast in Georgia in the name of dead people, Raffensperger responded forcefully: “The actual number was two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted.”
But later, Mark Meadows said, “I can promise you there are more than that.” Again, no evidence is offered.
Another Trump lawyer on the call, Kurt Hilbert, accused Raffensperger’s office of refusing to turn over data to assess evidence of fraud, and also claimed awareness of at least 24,000 illegally cast ballots that would flip the result to Trump.
“It stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide,” Hilbert said. “That’s the problem that we have.”
In the end, Trump asked the general counsel to sit down with one of his attorneys to go over the allegations. The general counsel agreed to do that.
Yet Trump also recognized that he was failing to persuade Raffensperger or Germany of anything, saying toward the end, “I know this phone call is going nowhere.”
But he continued to make his case in repetitive fashion, until finally, after roughly an hour, Raffensperger put an end to the conversation: “Thank you, President Trump, for your time.”
Kamala Harris, the Vice President-Elect has called Trump’s conversation with the Georgia Secretary of State, “a bold misuse of presidential power.”
Only 16 more days to Biden's inauguration.
Copyright G. Ater 2021
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